Friday, September 15, 2006

Double Standards?

Q Mr. President, critics of your proposed bill on interrogation rules say there's another important test -- these critics include John McCain, who you've mentioned several times this morning -- and that test is this: If a CIA officer, paramilitary or special operations soldier from the United States were captured in Iran or North Korea, and they were roughed up, and those governments said, well, they were interrogated in accordance with our interpretation of the Geneva Conventions, and then they were put on trial and they were convicted based on secret evidence that they were not able to see, how would you react to that, as Commander-in-Chief?
THE PRESIDENT: David, my reaction is, is that if the nations such as those you named, adopted the standards within the Detainee Detention Act, the world would be better. That's my reaction. We're trying to clarify law. We're trying to set high standards, not ambiguous standards.
And let me just repeat, Dave, we can debate this issue all we want, but the practical matter is, if our professionals don't have clear standards in the law, the program is not going to go forward. You cannot ask a young intelligence officer to violate the law. And they're not going to. They -- let me finish, please -- they will not violate the law. You can ask this question all you want, but the bottom line is -- and the American people have got to understand this -- that this program won't go forward; if there is vague standards applied, like those in Common Article III from the Geneva Convention, it's just not going to go forward. You can't ask a young professional on the front line of protecting this country to violate law.
Now, I know they said they're not going to prosecute them. Think about that: Go ahead and violate it, we won't prosecute you. These people aren't going to do that, Dave. Now, we can justify anything you want and bring up this example or that example, I'm just telling you the bottom line, and that's why this debate is important, and it's a vital debate.
Now, perhaps some in Congress don't think the program is important. That's fine. I don't know if they do or don't. I think it's vital, and I have the obligation to make sure that our professionals who I would ask to go conduct interrogations to find out what might be happening or who might be coming to this country, I got to give them the tools they need. And that is clear law.
Q But sir, this is an important point, and I think it depends --
THE PRESIDENT: The point I just made is the most important point.
Q Okay.
THE PRESIDENT: And that is the program is not going forward. David, you can give a hypothetical about North Korea, or any other country, the point is that the program is not going to go forward if our professionals do not have clarity in the law. And the best way to provide clarity in the law is to make sure the Detainee Treatment Act is the crux of the law. That's how we define Common Article III, and it sets a good standard for the countries that you just talked about.
Next man.
Q No, but wait a second, I think this is an important point --
THE PRESIDENT: I know you think it's an important point. (Laughter.)
Q Sir, with respect, if other countries interpret the Geneva Conventions as they see fit -- as they see fit -- you're saying that you'd be okay with that?
THE PRESIDENT: I am saying that I would hope that they would adopt the same standards we adopt; and that by clarifying Article III, we make it stronger, we make it clearer, we make it definite.
And I will tell you again, David, you can ask every hypothetical you want, but the American people have got to know the facts. And the bottom line is simple: If Congress passes a law that does not clarify the rules, if they do not do that, the program is not going forward.
Q This will not endanger U.S. troops, in your --
THE PRESIDENT: Next man.
Q This will not endanger U.S. troops --
THE PRESIDENT: David, next man, please. Thank you. It took you a long time to unravel, and it took you a long time to ask your question.

If you can call those standards... The short end of this is that Bush is trying to push through his Detainee Treatment Act which blatantly violates the Geneva Convention while allowing the US (and the US only) special consideration for torture... well, namely that we can.

Somehow, this just strikes me as wrong. I mean, am I crazy here, or is that shit just messed up?

Bush is slamming people who were his own constituents who have become so disgusted with 'business as usual' in the Bush White House that they've actually taken a very deliberate stance against this bill and Bush himself. John McCain, a Vietnam POW who was a special guest for five years at the Hanoi Hilton, has been bruised and battered by Bush, first during the primaries where it was insinuated that McCain was not a war hero because he was captured and couldn't fight, and more recently when, again, the President (with no war record) seems to doubt Mr. McCain's credentials as an expert on both war and torture.

Part of Mr. Bush's confusion seems to come from the fact that he keeps referring to the people held in Guantanamo, in secret prisons world wide, and in other places. This, in the end, is actually just a way for Mr. Bush to get around the Geneva Convention, since it only literally recognizes POWs, as opposed to detainees, which is what the chimp keeps referring to by clarity of the law. Since detainees aren't being mentioned, he has to take it upon himself to make his own special set of rules for how he wants to handle them.

Isn't it amazing what a good weasel can come up with when they put their slimy minds to it?

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